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Dr. Anthony Fauci, former director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), was grilled by House representatives on Monday about the US’s COVID-19 response, as he appeared before a subcommittee investigating the origins of the virus.

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Panel chairman said Fauci failed at 'messaging' during pandemic

By Josh Christenson

Rep. Brad Wenstrup (R-Ohio), in his concluding remarks, said Dr. Anthony Fauci failed at "messaging" during the COVID-19 pandemic.

“Where was the messaging?" he said, citing his boosted claims of total immunity based on COVID vaccines. "I wish you would’ve corrected that right then and there.”

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Dr. Anthony Fauci arrives to testify before a House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic on Capitol Hill on Monday. AFP via Getty Images

Fauci says ex-adviser 'definitely' had conflict of interest with EcoHealth

By Josh Christenson

In keeping with his testimony throughout the hearing, Dr. Anthony Fauci said his former senior adviser, Dr. David Morens, "definitely" had a conflict of interest with the since-suspended NIH grantee EcoHealth.

Emails released by the subcommittee showed Morens working on his private email account with EcoHealth to reverse its suspension under the Trump administration in April 2020.

Fauci has called the communications "inappropriate" and said they violated federal policy.

The Manhattan-based scientific nonprofit was suspended from receiving any US grants last month based on its failure to hand over its reports on research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which had sub-standard biosafety levels.

Fauci reverses comments on 'ideological bulls--t' of vaccine opponents

By Josh Christenson

Dr. Anthony Fauci has reversed his comments about vaccine opponents being motivated by "ideological bulls--t."

Rep. Rich McCormick (R-Ga.) pressed Fauci on the remark, which he had made in an audiobook written by New Yorker journalist Michael Specter.

“It’s been proven that when you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their ideological bulls--t, and they get vaccinated,” Fauci said in a recording of the book played during the hearing.

When pressed by McCormick whether all objections to COVID vaccines were "ideological bulls--t," Fauci said, "No, they're not."

“What I was referring to, in reference to making it hard for people to get education traveling, working, I’d say it very much was in context," he added.

Judiciary chair Jim Jordan presses Fauci on downplaying lab leak theory

By Josh Christenson

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan pressed Dr. Anthony Fauci during the hearing.

“Why was it so important that the virus wasn’t started in a lab?” Jordan (R-Ohio) asked, pointing to evidence in emails and court filings that the Biden administration leaned on social media companies to censor Americans who suggested COVID-19 escaped from a lab.

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Fauci said he has had "an open mind throughout the entire process” about COVID origins. AFP via Getty Images

“I can’t answer that," Fauci replied, saying he has had "an open mind throughout the entire process” about COVID origins.

Emails revealed by the subcommittee show that Fauci and other scientists in February 2020 suspected a lab leak — but backpedaled within three days of a conference call with himself, NIH director Dr. Francis Collins and others.

“Three days,” Jordan pointed out of the quick reversal.

“That’s exactly right,” Fauci said. “You can do that in three days.”

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention director Dr. Robert Redfield was not included on the call and previously testified to the subcommittee that he was "sidelined" because he suspected a lab leak.

“When he said that I kept him out, that is an incorrect statement,” Fauci said.

Fauci calls the Great Barrington Declaration that opposed COVID lockdowns 'invalid'

By Josh Christenson

Dr. Anthony Fauci has just called the Great Barrington Declaration — an open letter authored by leading scientists who opposed the COVID-19 lockdowns — "invalid."

"The Great Barrington Declaration was invalid, both conceptually and practically," Fauci said.

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Fauci called the Great Barrington Declaration — an open letter authored by leading scientists who opposed the COVID-19 lockdowns — "invalid." AFP via Getty Images

Those infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists cited "grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies," opting instead for an approach that would shield the most vulnerable.

Ex-NIH director Dr. Francis Collins, in an email to Fauci around the same time, called for a “swift and devastating takedown” of the co-authors — including Stanford University epidemiologist Dr. Jay Bhattacharya — all of whom were dubbed “fringe epidemiologists.”

Capitol Police escort woman out of the room

By Josh Christenson

An attendee at the hearing has been escorted out by US Capitol Police after interrupting a line of questioning from Rep. Robert Garcia (D-Calif.).

"Take your Starbucks with you," Garcia said when she exited.

An unidentified woman is removed from a House Committee Hearing
A woman is removed from a House subcommittee hearing questioning Dr. Anthony Fauci on Monday, June 3. Reuters
Rep. Robert Garcia (D-Calif.) speaks about a tweet by fellow Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene while questioning Dr. Fauci at the hearing. Reuters

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene explodes at Fauci, refuses to call him 'Doctor'

By Josh Christenson

Far-right Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene exploded during her line of questioning over reports that social distancing mandates approved by Dr. Anthony Fauci had no scientific basis.

"You're not 'Doctor,' you're 'Mr.' Fauci in my few minutes," she said after referencing the reports, throwing the subcommittee into disarray over whether she had violated hearing rules preventing members from making personal attacks.

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Greene shows a photo of Fauci with his mask pulled down at a baseball game in July 2020, as she questions the former NIAID director during Monday's House subcommittee hearing. AFP via Getty Images
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Faucis sitting with his wife and a friend at a New York Yankees vs. Washington Nationals game at Nationals Park in DC, on July 23, 2020. AP

Chairman Brad Wenstrup (R-Ohio) eventually restored order, shouting at Greene (R-Ga.) to "suspend" her line of questioning.

"You should be prosecuted from crimes against humanity," she added in closing, before adding his medical title. "You belong in prison, Dr. Fauci."

'Very, very clear' that vaccines saved lives, Fauci testifies

By Josh Christenson

Rep. Michael Cloud took Dr. Anthony Fauci to task for backing sweeping COVID-19 vaccine mandates on employers, students and US troops.

"Vaccines save lives; it is very, very clear that vaccines have saved hundreds of thousands of Americans," Fauci said in response.

"We're talking about COVID-19," Cloud (R-Texas) interrupted. "Did or do the COVID-19 vaccines stop anyone from getting COVID?"

"In the beginning, it clearly prevented infection at a certain percentage of people, but the durability of its ability to prevent infection was not long — it was measured in months," Fauci said. "It did not prevent transmission."

In 2021, Fauci claimed that vaccinated Americans would become "dead ends" for the coronavirus.

Fauci repeatedly denies NIH funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan, contradicting top NIH official

By Josh Christenson

During the hearing, Dr. Anthony Fauci has repeatedly denied that the NIH funded gain-of-function research on SARS and MERS viruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).

Last month, NIH principal deputy director Dr. Lawrence Tabak testified before the subcommittee that the experiments had occurred — but denied that they were risky.

The House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic Hearing: Overseeing the Overseers: A Hearing with NIH Deputy Director Lawrence Tabak.
National Institutes of Health (NIH) principal deputy director Lawrence Tabak finally admitted to Congress that US taxpayers funded gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China before the COVID-19 pandemic. Jack Gruber-USA TODAY

The potentially dangerous research, which received more than $500,000 from US taxpayers since 2014, resulted in a modified virus that was 10,000 times more infectious, NIH disclosed to Congress in 2021.

EcoHealth Alliance received that money and gave it as a subaward to WIV, and the scientific nonprofit's president revealed in testimony to Congress last month that he had not received any virus sequences from the Wuhan lab since before the pandemic.

The experiments violated the terms of the grant, NIH found, and EcoHealth has since been proposed for debarment. WIV was barred from receiving US funding last year.

Another proposal from EcoHealth, which was unfunded, has since been cited as "smoking gun" evidence that the virus engineered at WIV.

EcoHealth president Dr. Peter Daszak also revealed in his testimony that he has yet to receive sequences of viruses from the lab since before the pandemic.

“NIH didn’t go there; they didn’t get the reports that they needed," Rep. Debbie Lesko (R-Ariz.) pressed Fauci. "How would you know?”

NIH scientists received $710M in royalties from drug makers — but Fauci says he received 'zero' dollars

By Josh Christenson

NIH scientists received $710 million in royalties from drug makers during the COVID-19 pandemic, according to a new report, but Dr. Anthony Fauci said he made “zero” of those dollars himself.

The US taxpayer watchdog OpenTheBooks.com reported Sunday that $710 million flowed to NIH scientists between late 2021 and 2023 from pharmaceutical and other private companies to license medical innovations.

Fauci said he received "zero" money when asked by Rep. Nicole Malliotakis (R-NY) — despite scientists at his NIAID subagency scooping up $690 million of that cash.

He acknowledged that he had received $122 in royalties for an article he had written years before the pandemic.

Fauci has previously said he donates all his royalties.

“If you want to change the patent laws," Fauci told Malliotakis when asked whether any of that money should be returned to US taxpayers, "then go ahead.”

Claims of my influence on CIA's COVID lab-leak analysis are a 'conspiracy,' make me sound like 'Jason Bourne': Fauci

By Josh Christenson

Dr. Anthony Fauci also dismissed allegations that he influenced the CIA's analysis of whether COVID-19 spilled over naturally or escaped from a research lab in Wuhan, China.

The former NIAID head said it was “not a conspiracy theory” to discuss the merits of the so-called "lab leak" theory, but it was a “conspiracy” to claim he influenced the CIA's analysis.

Fauci scoffed at the notion, saying it made him sound as if he were an agent of espionage like the fictional book and movie character Jason Bourne.

Last year, the select subcommittee revealed in a letter to the US Department of Health and Human Services it had received information that Fauci entered the intelligence agency "without a record of entry" to discuss COVID origins with six analysts there.

The CIA later was unable to determine whether SARS-CoV-2 emerged from nature or a lab, according to a June 2023 Office of the Director of National Intelligence report.

"The Central Intelligence Agency and another agency remain unable to determine the precise origin of the COVID-19 pandemic, as both hypotheses rely on significant assumptions or face challenges with conflicting reporting," the report states.

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